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		<title>By: happyforthem</title>
		<link>http://crushable.com/entertainment/brad-and-angelinas-political-family-tree/comment-page-2/#comment-133133</link>
		<dc:creator>happyforthem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The operative word here is &quot;IF&quot; this is practised in the world - which it is obviously not - agreeing to disagree means debate (which is coming from an informed opinion).  The example of our pitiful media sources is to shout the loudest in order to dominate, and be most outrageous to gain the most attention.  My idea is to treat each other with respect, and to inform ourselves in order to be productive.  How many are making time to raise the bar?  Let&#039;s give a higher degree to discussion (which has been moderated beautifully by Sherry so far - thanks) and live the example of AJ &amp; BP to ignore the bull**** as there is so much of it.  Great days for those who awaken to this in these times - lots of opportunity to grow and manifest what we ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The operative word here is &#8220;IF&#8221; this is practised in the world &#8211; which it is obviously not &#8211; agreeing to disagree means debate (which is coming from an informed opinion).  The example of our pitiful media sources is to shout the loudest in order to dominate, and be most outrageous to gain the most attention.  My idea is to treat each other with respect, and to inform ourselves in order to be productive.  How many are making time to raise the bar?  Let&#8217;s give a higher degree to discussion (which has been moderated beautifully by Sherry so far &#8211; thanks) and live the example of AJ &amp; BP to ignore the bull**** as there is so much of it.  Great days for those who awaken to this in these times &#8211; lots of opportunity to grow and manifest what we ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness Ligaya is back.  We have miss you and your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness Ligaya is back.  We have miss you and your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: ligaya</title>
		<link>http://crushable.com/entertainment/brad-and-angelinas-political-family-tree/comment-page-2/#comment-127813</link>
		<dc:creator>ligaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality. We should all be able to agree to disagree. But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)? It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too. 

(This is the short version, the medium &amp; full versions are under moderation, so is another post entirely.  :-) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality. We should all be able to agree to disagree. But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)? It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too. </p>
<p>(This is the short version, the medium &amp; full versions are under moderation, so is another post entirely.  :-) )</p>
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		<title>By: ligaya</title>
		<link>http://crushable.com/entertainment/brad-and-angelinas-political-family-tree/comment-page-2/#comment-126864</link>
		<dc:creator>ligaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality. We should all be able to agree to disagree. But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)? It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too. 

If we want to continue this political discussion, then sail ahead on. I just wonder what will happen when we want to weigh in on abortion/reproductive choice, right wing fundamentalist Christians, Muslim ter***ists (not that all Muslims are t****rists or that all te****ists are Muslims), gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender rights, homeschooling, torture/rendition/stop-loss, supporting the troops, immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan, withdrawing from the Geneva Convention, withdrawing from the UN, gun control, restoring our civil rights, universal health care, raising taxes, global warming, endangered species list, oil drilling in national parks, using public taxes for private &amp; religious schools, etc., etc., etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality. We should all be able to agree to disagree. But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)? It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too. </p>
<p>If we want to continue this political discussion, then sail ahead on. I just wonder what will happen when we want to weigh in on abortion/reproductive choice, right wing fundamentalist Christians, Muslim ter***ists (not that all Muslims are t****rists or that all te****ists are Muslims), gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender rights, homeschooling, torture/rendition/stop-loss, supporting the troops, immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan, withdrawing from the Geneva Convention, withdrawing from the UN, gun control, restoring our civil rights, universal health care, raising taxes, global warming, endangered species list, oil drilling in national parks, using public taxes for private &amp; religious schools, etc., etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ligaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>ligaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality.  We should all be able to agree to disagree.  But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)?  It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too.  

If we  want to continue this political discussion, then  sail ahead on.  I just wonder what will happen when we want to weigh in on abortion/reproductive choice, right wing fundamentalist Christians, Muslim ter***ists (not that all Muslims are t****rists or that all te****ists are Muslims), gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender rights, homeschooling, torture/rendition/stop-loss, supporting the troops, immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan, withdrawing from the Geneva Convention, withdrawing from the UN, gun control, restoring our civil rights, universal health care, raising taxes, global warming, endangered species list, oil drilling in national parks, using public taxes for private &amp; religious schools, etc., etc., etc.
	
I guess at least it would be a difference from talking about:  Angelina’s adoption addiction, her freakish veins &amp; plastic surgery, anorexia, feeding her kids junk, endangering her baby(ies) by flying while pregnant, her endless feverish search for publicity from her UN work &amp; philanthropy (but we know it’s all because she’s a fame***re), getting ghostwriters to write her Washington Post &amp; Economist op-eds, as well as her presentations at the World Economic Forum &amp; the Council on Foreign Relations, her controlling persona and making poor Brad do all the chidraising work – especially their meals &amp; changing their diapers, being a temperamental diva and throwing wine in his face, her freakish past of cutting, Goth, sex/blood/knives, studying to be a mortician, incest with her brother, cruelty to her father.  All the world knows dark Angelina as the slut who stole Brad from his shining righteous princess soulmate, Jennifer.  She stole Brad’s babies from Jennifer too, plus the award-winning role of A Mighty Heart’s  Mariane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is good – but practiced more in the breach than in reality.  We should all be able to agree to disagree.  But if this is agreed and practiced in the world, how do we explain the viciousness &amp; lies about Angelina, Brad, their kids &amp; Jennifer (***especially Angelina***)?  It’s not just the tabs, it’s their fans too.  </p>
<p>If we  want to continue this political discussion, then  sail ahead on.  I just wonder what will happen when we want to weigh in on abortion/reproductive choice, right wing fundamentalist Christians, Muslim ter***ists (not that all Muslims are t****rists or that all te****ists are Muslims), gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender rights, homeschooling, torture/rendition/stop-loss, supporting the troops, immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan, withdrawing from the Geneva Convention, withdrawing from the UN, gun control, restoring our civil rights, universal health care, raising taxes, global warming, endangered species list, oil drilling in national parks, using public taxes for private &amp; religious schools, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>I guess at least it would be a difference from talking about:  Angelina’s adoption addiction, her freakish veins &amp; plastic surgery, anorexia, feeding her kids junk, endangering her baby(ies) by flying while pregnant, her endless feverish search for publicity from her UN work &amp; philanthropy (but we know it’s all because she’s a fame***re), getting ghostwriters to write her Washington Post &amp; Economist op-eds, as well as her presentations at the World Economic Forum &amp; the Council on Foreign Relations, her controlling persona and making poor Brad do all the chidraising work – especially their meals &amp; changing their diapers, being a temperamental diva and throwing wine in his face, her freakish past of cutting, Goth, sex/blood/knives, studying to be a mortician, incest with her brother, cruelty to her father.  All the world knows dark Angelina as the slut who stole Brad from his shining righteous princess soulmate, Jennifer.  She stole Brad’s babies from Jennifer too, plus the award-winning role of A Mighty Heart’s  Mariane.</p>
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		<title>By: happyforthem</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyforthem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ligaya - good to have your voice back in the fold.  We are enjoying what the JP&#039;s engage in every day - an awareness of the world, and this election is extremely important.  I was thinking overnight about how many, many people in this country forget about healthy discussion, and go for the attack mode - even if it&#039;s about entertainment!  Look at the ongoing &quot;this vs. that&quot; or the war on (fill in the blank).  It&#039;s time for us to learn to state our positions without being mean spirited, and to learn from each other in a healthy way...that is to sharpen each other without sticking it to the speaker.  There are ways to correct someone without insulting their person, and we all need to practice that way of being to have a community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ligaya &#8211; good to have your voice back in the fold.  We are enjoying what the JP&#8217;s engage in every day &#8211; an awareness of the world, and this election is extremely important.  I was thinking overnight about how many, many people in this country forget about healthy discussion, and go for the attack mode &#8211; even if it&#8217;s about entertainment!  Look at the ongoing &#8220;this vs. that&#8221; or the war on (fill in the blank).  It&#8217;s time for us to learn to state our positions without being mean spirited, and to learn from each other in a healthy way&#8230;that is to sharpen each other without sticking it to the speaker.  There are ways to correct someone without insulting their person, and we all need to practice that way of being to have a community.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe all discussion is good.  If we do have a happy little community can we not discuss these topics thoughtfully and considerately.  I have heard that even Brad and AJ have huge political fights, but they always makeup. That is what is great about the western civilization, we can all agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe all discussion is good.  If we do have a happy little community can we not discuss these topics thoughtfully and considerately.  I have heard that even Brad and AJ have huge political fights, but they always makeup. That is what is great about the western civilization, we can all agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: ligaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>ligaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherry&#039;s post on this topic had a link to this explanatory article, but maybe you missed it.  &#039; I&#039;m posting some excerpts that I think will put this in context - this kind of &#039;relations&#039; thing pops up once in a while, and is fascinating to us who like to play 6 Degrees of Separation.  But as my husband says, this kind of thing is all, um, relative - we all share DNA with Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, and the original Homo Sapiens, Lucy.  No big deal when these connections are made.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_genealogy_6


Obama related to Pitt, Clinton to Jolie 

By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer 
Tue 3/25/08, 6:53 PM ET
 
[source&#039;s legitimacy]  The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.

BOSTON - This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of actor Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt&#039;s girlfriend, Angelina Jolie. 
 
Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.

Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother&#039;s side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.

Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.

&quot;It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn&#039;t necessarily expect,&quot; Child said.

Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.

Obama often jokes about his cousin Cheney at campaign appearances.

Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates&#039; genealogy.

Clinton&#039;s distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.

McCain&#039;s ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.

Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.

Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. 

Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherry&#8217;s post on this topic had a link to this explanatory article, but maybe you missed it.  &#8216; I&#8217;m posting some excerpts that I think will put this in context &#8211; this kind of &#8216;relations&#8217; thing pops up once in a while, and is fascinating to us who like to play 6 Degrees of Separation.  But as my husband says, this kind of thing is all, um, relative &#8211; we all share DNA with Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, and the original Homo Sapiens, Lucy.  No big deal when these connections are made.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_genealogy_6" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_genealogy_6</a></p>
<p>Obama related to Pitt, Clinton to Jolie </p>
<p>By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer<br />
Tue 3/25/08, 6:53 PM ET</p>
<p>[source's legitimacy]  The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.</p>
<p>BOSTON &#8211; This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of actor Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt&#8217;s girlfriend, Angelina Jolie. </p>
<p>Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.</p>
<p>Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother&#8217;s side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.</p>
<p>Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.</p>
<p>&#8220;It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn&#8217;t necessarily expect,&#8221; Child said.</p>
<p>Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.</p>
<p>Obama often jokes about his cousin Cheney at campaign appearances.</p>
<p>Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates&#8217; genealogy.</p>
<p>Clinton&#8217;s distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.</p>
<p>Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.</p>
<p>Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. </p>
<p>Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.</p>
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		<title>By: ligaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>ligaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***Ladies*** (and any gentlemen out there), I think this brouhaha over Obama/Clinton/McCain/electoral politics is out of place here in Pittwatch.  What unites us is our fandom for Angelina &amp; Brad.  This is what we should focus on.

Not that I&#039;m against politics - I&#039;ve been an activist since the 1970s.  Personally, my husband &amp; I were voting for John Edwards until he dropped out.  But I think the cult comment was irresponsible &amp; out-of-line, especially stated as fact and not as opinion.  

Further fights over politics (or religion for that matter) will destroy our happy little community since we come from different backgrounds, opinions and beliefs.  

Please, let&#039;s get back to what&#039;s important here - the Jolie-Pitts.  They&#039;re the only thing we can safely say each &amp; everyone of us agree on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***Ladies*** (and any gentlemen out there), I think this brouhaha over Obama/Clinton/McCain/electoral politics is out of place here in Pittwatch.  What unites us is our fandom for Angelina &amp; Brad.  This is what we should focus on.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m against politics &#8211; I&#8217;ve been an activist since the 1970s.  Personally, my husband &amp; I were voting for John Edwards until he dropped out.  But I think the cult comment was irresponsible &amp; out-of-line, especially stated as fact and not as opinion.  </p>
<p>Further fights over politics (or religion for that matter) will destroy our happy little community since we come from different backgrounds, opinions and beliefs.  </p>
<p>Please, let&#8217;s get back to what&#8217;s important here &#8211; the Jolie-Pitts.  They&#8217;re the only thing we can safely say each &amp; everyone of us agree on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alayna: It&#039;s too bad you are spreading rumors. Maybe when you grow up you will understand how to separate rumors from facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alayna: It&#8217;s too bad you are spreading rumors. Maybe when you grow up you will understand how to separate rumors from facts.</p>
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