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A smart person would have said she was going to start a discussion thread before she goes to a wedding, and then, you know, actually do that. I, however totally forgot, which is why I’m doing this on my phone on the way to the reception. Sigh.
So, episode 2! Ariel is a stripper; have at it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc9RHcYgGes
Theres the link for Patricia on Ellen incase you want to repost it
I wish I could have at it. My cable company is having technical difficulties and I’m staring at a big blank screen. Well, not technically blank. But who wants to watch an hour of One Moment Please. This channel should be available shortly?
I m watching the episode and is real cool we are seeing another face of Ariel (Elena) and the girls is going great the episodeee
I just watched it .It was an okay episode. Patricia Arquette was great as usual
as was Jake Weber. No Joe job issues in this one which was good. Maria Lark was great also. Sofia was good but I must say I was confused all the time about whether it was Ariel or Elena. I could never tell. Whenever Allison has been possessed in previous episodes Patricia would change her voice and posture so you always knew if it was Allison or the one possessing her.
Sofia fans will love it because it was very heavy on Ariel in this episode and once again Maria Lark was great.
I missed all but the LAST ten minutes of this episode tonight. I’m so upset because I would like to see more of Sofia’s character, and what she can do with her dramatic acting. Can anyone tell me if they are aware if Lifetime will be rerunning these episodes, now that Medium is now on CBS?
PLEASE! I need to get my dose of Medium.
I think I’m going to have to rewatch it before properly commenting. The main bit I haven’t quite fathomed out is when exactly did Joe realise that Ariel wasn’t “Ariel”?
Am I to presume he suspected that in the car when Ariel!Elena said she had been through his drawer to look for a blouse? Because later that evening he wasn’t convinced when he went to sit out in the yard/garden area.
I enjoy the occasional possession episode and thought Patricia Arquette was great. Poor Jo as he has to be Allison’s foil and diasagree with her. By the way, what happened to Jo’s promised hair cut?
I also thouht she(PA) was quite funny on the late night show with Creig Ferguson. She looked great too.
I worry about the Friday spot as ratings will suffer naturally but my husband reassures me that the X-files did well there for years. I hope CBS knows that it would do much better on a mid week night–even P Aruqette said maybe people will watch as they are getting ready to go out.
I feel like I missed something in this one. I am going to do the same as Linda and watch it again before properly commenting.
I had the same issue as Linda as not knowing if Joe realized what was going on after the money was missing. I also wasn’t sure when Sofia was playing Ariel or Elena or if she was just pretending to be Ariel sometimes to fool Allison. Like after school at her friend Devis house was that Ariel or Elena pretending?
I thought Patricia and Jake Weber were great too.
I thinks it was a great episode. And as a huge Sofia and Patricia fan I think they did a fantastic job. And I agree, it was a little hard to tell which one it was from time to time Ariel or Elena. But I loved the episode, and I hope that it comes more episodes where Sofia gets a little more space!
Karen, I think it was Elena at that girls house, and she was just acting like Ariel. Cuz Ariel did’nt know who that girls father was, and Elena did. And I agree, it was really hard to see which one of them it was cuz elena was playing ariel a few times. But wasn’t it Ariel the first few minutes until she fell asleep in the car? And it was then Elena came on? Cuz Allisson also fells asleep when a soul is jumping in her body. Otherwise would’nt Elena know where the girls school where? And was it Ariel when Allison woke her up by going through her purse?
Lina, I still don’t know if it was Ariel or Elena when she was going thru the purse. So that is why I have to watch it another time before comments. I was lost about what was going on last night. I knew it was Elena in the car with Bridgette since she didn’t know where the house was.
Good episode. But not GREAT. I still loved it, but as others said, there were some inconsistencies with the story that kept it from being really great. Like why Joe didn’t believe Allison initially when she told him that Ariel wasn’t herself, especially given Allison’s history of psychic episodes/being possessed? I know he’s supposed to be the logical one, the sensible foil to Allison’s psychic sense, but at some point, (especially when it’s about his daughters) wouldn’t you think he would start to say “Okay, given our history, maybe she’s right this time.”? And the way they made Elena leave Ariel by convincing her that Allison would really let her daughter go to jail for the rest of her life- really? The story was great, but it felt a little weighed down by too much talking. There seemed to be a lot of extraneous dialogue in some scenes that really did nothing to propel the story.
But enough about that. I loved the performances in this episode, especially Jake Weber and Patricia Arquette. The scenes when Allison was trying to convince Joe were fantastic and the tension between them was spot-on. Sofia’s performance was good too. Terrific young actress. And how cute was Marie complaining about Bridgette’s snoring? Poor Bridge was getting picked on by the whole family, lol!
Next week looks really good too!
I think the episode was good great performance by Sofia and patricia and Maria lark hilarious like always, the episode was good and i enjoy it people are saying that they noy reconize in the scenes of ariel that she was elena or ariel and i think thas because elena don’t want to their parents know that arurl was posses she wants to keep liw profile. A question thats anywone notice that Devalos lose weight?? Because he looks very thinner
And everyone that us worry for the ratings don’t worry because The X files do well fridays for years and Ghost whisperer always bring good numbers and medium in season premiere bring 9 million that is great for a friday because win the night and the medium viewers are loyal and i think medium are going to put good numbers every friday
I agree that this was a good episode but not a great one.
Did anyone see how it did in the ratings yet?
Was her friend Devon the daughter of the murder suspect? I did not pick up on that last night but from Lina’s comment it makes it sound that way since Elena recognized the father and not Ariel. I thought she told Allison it was a new friend but that man could not have been new to town if he was with Elena already.
I couldn’t recognize the difference between Ariel and Elena a few times. Obviously it was Elena at the strip club buying the gun and at the school.
The scenes from next week look like it will be a great episode!!
I loved that episode! I am pretty sure it was Elena from the scene in the car all the way until the questioning room at the end tho. Elena was pretending to be Ariel to such an extreme because was she was so set on killing her murderer and she didn’t want Allison to blow her cover. Allison does jump to conclusions, so I understand why Joe didn’t just believe her. Joe has had to deal with Allison being possessed before, but he doesn’t really understand the whole possesion thing. The only reason Ariel was going to her “friend’s” house was because that was the house of the man who killed Elena. Overall great episode, the whole cast rocked!
The ratings are here
(http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/10/tv-ratings-ghost-whisperer-medium-scare-up-friday-win.html)
Medium did very well in the ratings for a friday putting almost * million viewers winning the Friday night again but is 1 million viewers lower from next week episode but still good number the Friday night block of CBS are kicking Ass and Medium are getting more number than Ghost whisperer and NUmbers thats good news if Medium still with this numbers maybe there is going to be a 7 season YEAHH!!!!! i really hope so.
Kelly, Well. I think that Elena mayby knew who that mans children where. And mayby looked her up in school just to get closer to his house. And I’ve watched the episode like 5 times and I still don’t see when Ariel is Elena or her self… But if I think about it It mayby is so that it is Ariel just in the begginning and the the end. Cuz she acts weird in the scenes when I firstthought it was her (when she cries and say that Allison is crazy!) Cuz it wasn’t her in school, not picking up the kids, when allison wakes hervup the second time and when Devalos talk to her, when she is at the club and buys that gun. So to summ it up, I think that it was Ariel in the beginning and at the end. And mayby when she and Allisons fight and she falls and start crying. But i’m mayby wrong.
Well, I do agree with the others that it was good but not GREAT. There were inconsistincies and I was unsure of what was happening some of the time. It would probably be more clear if I watched it again also.
I looked up the ratings. It was the Strongest show on Friday night but still had under 8 mil viewers ,so less than last week. It is not the fault of Medium but Friday is a poor night for television. Medium is an excellent show but many people have never even heard of it. A friend of mine asked about going out last night and I told her I was going to watch Medium and she had never even heard of it before. I think this is because NBC never advertised it much and now that it is on CBS it is on a bad night there. I think that if CBS put it on a regular weeknight it would perform better in the ratings but I think it is a good idea to give the Friday Ghost night a chance.
Lina,
Oh Gee, if you have watched it over five times and are still not sure about when it is Ariel or Elena then I probably wont either.
Thanks for pointing it out about Ariels new friends dad being the murder suspect I never realized it during the show. I guess that is why they showed him praying at dinner with his family. It was a side shot and I didn’t notice it was the same girl. So that expalins why Ariel said at the end I go to school with his kids.
I think the part when Allison pushed her it seemed like it was really Ariel. Poor joe I felt bad for him. He is a good dad. And I liked the way he defended Ariel to Allison.
I did like the episode, I just didn’t love it. That said, I thought the acting was superb from all. Sofia really shone in her extended role, she always does. Pretty amazing for someone so younh, learning her craft.
The episode title just makes me think of the Eurythmics song of the same title. I looove them. I wasn’t sure where they were going with the opening monologue. I had to google the first killer because I wasn’t familiar with his crimes. Joe’s reaction to Ariel covered in blood was classic.
Grumpy Marie was adorable. Nice continuity there from last season where Ariel complained that Bridgette snored when she had to give up her personal space for Joe’s sister.
As much I love Manny, how many of his friends/acquaintances have met an untimely demise now? “Whatever Possessed You” with Father Armando was on here last night, hence why I’m thinking about it.
As a viewer, we were aware that Ariel had been possessed by Elena’s spirit, however, I couldn’t always tell because Elena adopted Ariel’s character traits so well. I mean she was a pretty convincing “Ariel” when Joe questioned her over the birthday in the car. I suppose to work in that environment, you’ve got to possess acting skills. I assumed that Elena had chosen to inhibit in this manner, so as to deceive the Dubois parents. I mean, if I’m to believe for the purpose of the show that dead spirits can take over people, I guess I can believe that spirits can control when, how and by how much they possess over someone at different periods of time.
Bridgette and Ariel bickering was entertaining, as always. Ariel threatening to grass on her sister to her parents, hee! Bridgette must really love her cookies because normally she can’t wait to tell.
They did completely fool me with the ending. I had just assumed that only Allison was in on the plan. It did feel to me like they ran out of time again and had to wrap it up quickly. I was totally baffled when I realised Joe knew about the plan, as did Scanlon and Devalos, especially since the last we had seen of Joe was him telling Allison to leave it very angrily. In hindsight, it was quite obvious that Scanlon was in on it because he went to the school to question Ariel, Elena had no idea who he was..
Did Joe just not want to acknowledge that his eldest daughter might be possessed? I mean I could understand his frustration with Allison, the past few months have been very hard, stressful for the guy .He really was quite angry, for Joe anyway! It’s very evident things are not yet “normal” in the Dubois household and I am looking forward to seeing them get there. He was very sceptical and suddenly he acknowledged Allison might be right, off camera. I personally think we needed to see Joe and Allison discuss it. Just my opinion. But I suppose if they had shown me that scene, I wouldn’t have been fooled by the ending. Do you think Elena will be back to haunt Allison? I doubt she’s very happy with Allison right now.
The ratings weren’t great, I mean Medium built on its lead in, dropped in the demo. By the way, guess next week’s Medium ratings and you can win a fifth season dvd below. I can’t enter, of course.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/03/tv-ratings-dollhouse-dips-to-a-new-series-low/29376
Linda, I agree with you about the ending. There was alot of stuff that was happening off camera -like Joe coming to terms with Ariele being possessed and with Scanlon and Devolis’s involvement in the investigation that it was a little hard to follow. I agree it seems like maybe they ran out of time and had to wrap it up quickly.
I had trouble distinguishing between Ariel and Elena in some scenes too Because sometimes it really seemed like Ariel as in the scene with Joe when she was calling Allison crazy.
I think it might be fun if Elena came back to haunt Allison occasionally.
Looking foward to next weeks episode it looks good.
I assumed Ariel was possessed by Elena from the moment she slept/woke up in the car all the way till the end when she snapped out of it during the mother-daughter hug.
Elena could easily find out Ariel’s birthday and other personal info just by looking through her wallet and driver’s ID, as we saw her do.
The only bit I was feeling if-fy about, was how easily that strip-club owner sold that pistol (and at a discounted rate too!) to the teenager-looking Ariel, immediately after telling her they don’t deal with drugs etc. So, no to drugs, but guns are okay??
Great job by everyone in the episode though, especially Sofia and Patricia! I still would love to see Joe with a new hair-cut!
The Medium Ratings are good for a friday, remeber Friday for years are become Dead Night for T.V but CBS put Medium on friday intentionally because Ghost Whisperer hve been 5 season on fridays putting good numbers and bringing friday nights to live againg and putting Medium next to Ghost whisperer was a strategic that they have a that was the reason that CBS pick Up Medium for specifically friday night and is doing good better than Ghost whisperer!!! When CBS are going to confirmed Medium Season 7 I HOPE SOONN!!!!
terrific, just found this group! recently lifetime repeated the episode of Allison being possessed by the plastic surgeon’s wife, and once possessed, Allison didn’t resurface until the spirit left, so i kind of expected Elena’s possession of Ariel to be full-time too. She knew Ariel’s birthday once she studied Ariel’s drivers license. Maybe Elena knew who to possess because the killer had mentioned his daughter and her chemistry partner on one of their trysts?
when they showed the killer saying grace with his family, i didn’t recognize Devon, tho i thought about that later, i paid more attention to the empty chair at the table for some reason.
i usually like how Medium wraps up in the last 5 minutes with a surprise, like when last season Allison got all the souls she and her kind couldn’t save came together to beat up the evil shirtless guy–i didn’t see that coming, and this ending was okay, but Ariel/Elena might have been smart enough to realize that all the D.A. threatened her with was Means, but not Motive or Opportunity so she may have thought he didn’t have a very good case. i suppose somehow Allison’s embrace must have strengthened Ariel enough to force Elena out.
i enjoyed the episode and love the whole series. i’ve never had anyone to discuss the eps with, so i don’t remember titles or character names tho i’ve seen every ep at least once, so i’ll have to pay more attention.
Kelly, I agree with you bout Joe and when he defends Ariel when Allison was a little crazy! And I also think it was Ariel then cuz she didn’t know what she was talking about and she really seemed like ariel, and if it wasn’t, well, Elena is a great actor haha. And I hope it comes more problems with Ariel, “Arielproblems” not some dead persons soul. And she is getting a boyfriend in a few episodes ahead and I hope it gets messy, cuz I like it that way. Espacially messy mad scenes between Ariel and Allison, cuz they are my fav. caracter and are played witrh my fav. actresses!
I”m glad to hear that the ratings were good!
I thought it was an okay episode–It won’t be on my favorites list, but it won’t be among my least favorites either. After reading all of these posts, I realized that apparently Ariel and Elena were taking turns in Ariel’s body … I had no idea this was going on. I assumed it was all one or all the other (and I thought it was all Elena). Was Elena fighting for control of Ariel’s body the entire time?? This wasn’t clear to me whatsoever. ITA that there were parts w/ which the audience was supposed to “fill in the blanks” … but too many of those can make a story confusing.
I wasn’t confused about the bad guy being Ariel’s friend’s dad, but it seemed a bit too much like that other episode in which Ariel’s teacher was conveniently connected to the crime plot as well (can’t remember the title of that one).
I could tell right away, as Linda noted, that Scanlon knew about the possession when Ariel didn’t recognize him at school. So I wasn’t surprised that he and Manny were in on it. And if they were in on it, I assumed Joe was as well. I’m fine with him not believing Allison at first–wacky things do happen in the DuBois household, but I think that this was a bit different b/c it was Ariel who was affected.
The ending in which they set her up didn’t really makes sense to me … why would this make her give up the body?
Sofia was wonderful, though, and it looks as if she is an up-and-coming actress.
I’m looking forward to next week’s episode!
Anyone else that liked this scene the most? I loved it!
“Ariel: So what happens now?
Allison: I don’t know? I’m sorry Elena, I coulndn’t let you kill a man.
Ariel: So you framed me?! For my own murder.
Allison: What choice did you give me? I coulnd’t let you turn my child into a killer.
Ariel: Your child is going to prison for the rest of her LIFE!
Allison: No she’s not. No. You are.
Ariel: What are we doing here…Allison? Playing a game of chicken? Beacuse Obviosly i’m not going… to prison. Obviosly if you force me to I would give up your daughter but I promise you that I would do at the last possible second. I will wait until I’m behind bars and I’ll make notes, so that she understands exactly how it happend. And You, you will spend years trying to get her out as she suffers through that hell, knowing that it was You…who put her there.
Devalos: Allison I need you to step outside, we have an arrest warn for your daughter.
Allison: Wait, one moment. Please… I’m doing this for you too Elena.
Ariel: Mm
Allison: So you can go wherever you need to go without any blood on your hands. And for your mother, so she can go in to that church, and she can light those candles. And they can meen something.
Ariel: What are you doing? I’m not going…anywhere.
Allison: Come in”
Think that Sofia did an excellent job in the whole episode, but especially in this one.
I agree that it was a good episode, but not great. I honestly think Sofia did a fantastic job; first in Ariel’s bed when she pretty much admitted she was Elena and then at the end she refused to give Ariel back. I believe it was Elena from the time Ariel woke up in the car, disoriented. I wanna say that it might have actually been ARIEL when Allison was looking through her purse, because she was so beyond hysterical and terrified of how her mother was acting. But the other times I’m sure it was Elena pretending to be Ariel.
I see both sides when it comes to Joe’s reaction to Allison’s accusation. I see a man who has dealt with his wife’s body being taken over twice, but this time it was his teeenage DAUGHTER. Despite the fact that he understands that he has no control over the gift that every woman in his home has, I would imagine it would be hard to come to terms with it happening to his child. He’s trying to protect Ariel. On the other hand, it did kinda tick me off that he was telling Allison that he thought it was just a rebellion on Ariel’s part and later when he told her to drop it. You could tell he was struggling with it. I also would have liked a scene where he came to terms with it so it wasn’t just his “did it work?” at the end that showed us he finaly believed Allison.
I gotta say that I don’t understand why everyone dislikes the Joe job discussion. Is it because it’s talked about so much? Everyone is aware the even though the economy is rebounding, unemployment is still on the rise, right? It adds to the realism that the show strives so hard to maintain.
Lina, My husband just watched it on-line and clarified a few things for me.
At the end he says it was all set up by Allison ,Scanlon and Devalis that they never planted the gun or hair or any of that. That they were never really going to arrest Ariel they just wanted Elena to think so. And Allison hugged her on purpose because she knew how close Elena was to her own mother, so Allison knew the hug would make Elena feel compassion and leave the body. The audience was suppossed to figure all this out on their own. Which I guess confused many of us.
Okay, I watched it again (love that CBS now has it available on OnDemand on Comcast) and it wasn’t quite as iffy the second time around. I still think the opening montage with the serial killers was a bit overdone. I mean, I counted five different serial killers that she mentioned. Couldn’t she have done the same thing with just one or two? Maybe singled out a couple, like Dahmer and Bundy, rather than bring up Van Houten, Wournos, and the BTK killer? It just felt too “talky”. That’s one thing that I’ve noticed with the eps written by the guys who wrote this one (or at the least who were credited)- they tend to overwrite and it takes them fifteen words to say what could be said with five. And some of their dialogue is just hammy and over the top (remember the father in the “Do You Hear What I Hear?” episode, when he threatened Keener if she followed him to the ransom drop? Over the top.)
But all that said, it was a pretty good ep. Not my favorite, but not my least favorite either. I loved the part of Allison’s opening dream when Joe walked into the kitchen and saw Ariel. Now THAT is what Medium does best! That was off the chain creepy! And I LOVED IT! The scenes with Allison and Joe were great- I love that these two fight and make up(they do it so well) and the scenes with Allison and Ariel were great too. When Allison was begging Elena to give her her daughter back- that was awesome! I won’t give this one a thumbs down. (TBH, I can’t really give any of the Medium eps a thumbs down- I love the show so much that I’ll pretty much forgive the writers anything- to a point, lol!)
I love Sofia Vassilieva! She’s AMAZING! Just a OK episode…
Karen, yeah I got that from the first time I saw the episode. My problem was in scenes before that, like when Allison is acting as Ariel said “crazy” and in the beginning when shewant to go too that hunt with the seniors. In the other scenes I got ´who it was. I think it was a great episode, and I hope for a few more episodes with a “direction” to Sofia/Ariel cuz I love those episodes!
Lina, I read that spoiler about Ariel’s first boyfriend too. If you thought Allison threw a wobbly in this episode, I can’t imagine she’s going to handle that situation any calmer.
I can’t help but think that the killer was stupid, I mean burying a gun in your garden isn’t perhaps the most intelligent idea! Actually, come to think of it, Elena shouldn’t have agreed to meet the guy in such a deserted area and should have just taken the money and ran. I was wondering if he always intended to kill Elena.
I just had a look at some of the comments left over at the cbs site. I only read the first fifteen or so. Some of them are very mean, one even wished horrible things to happen to the twins so little Marie could disappear. Now I’m all for critiquing the show but that crosses the line for me personally.
LInada, yeah I agree that comment about marie is really mean. I can’t see medium without marie, she is an imporant part of the family.
Yeah im agree with guys and i definetly hate every bad comments of that type because if you don’t watch it why wasting time making that type of comments and i loike Marie every i love every character that comments is a insult of Medium fans (The Dreamers)
I just watched it again and it made more sense the second time around. I agree with others that the opening was too long. They could have just talked about three serial killers ,we got the idea already.It seems that it was Ariel just in the beginning before she falls asleep in the car, and the scene where she is fighting with Allison and Joe comes in, and then at the very end.The rest of the time I believe it was Elena acting as Ariel. We knew Scanlon and Devolis were aware and helping Allison because we saw Scanlon at the school talking to Ariel. There was a lot going on off camera that we weren’t aware of until the end like when Joe admitted Ariel was possessed ,and they never showed Allison planning the arrest with Devolis and Scanlon so it left a lot open for the viewers to think about. I agree that Allison hugged Elena with the hope Elena would free Ariel since she loved her mother so much and Allison knew this from the earlier converstion she had with Elena about Elena’s mother. So, I think it was a good episode but not great.
So why is Ariel walking with a cane and limping this season? I must have missed something from last season.
I forgot to mention it in my first post, but did anyone else note the similarities of the crime plot to the Erin Andrews case? She’s the ESPN reporter who was in the news (and on Oprah) because a fan was stalking her and filming her undressing, etc. She was an innocent victim, unlike the woman in the Medium epidsode. It seems like too much of a coincidence not to be a variety of the “ripped from the headlines” storyline that shows like Law & Order do all of the time. If it was, I hope it’s the one and only time. It didn’t include a disclaimer that it wasn’t intended to protray real events, though, but those may not be required (no idea). I’m not dissing Medium b/c I love the show, but if I were Erin Andrews, I wouldn’t particularly appreciate the storyline (just my opinion, of course).
Does anyone–who is aware of the case that I’m talking about–have a comment?
JK, do you mean Allison? If so, it’s because she’s recovering from having the operation on her brain tumor (We found out about the partial paralysis in last week’s episode.)
Note: In my 2:44 comment, I forgot to say that I’m talking about the premiere episode, *not* “Who’s that Girl?”
This episode was OK, but not great. There were some inconsistencies like Allison using her disabled hand like it was fine and then holding it up again like it was still paralyzed.
Ariel started out with a little different posture and tone of voice as Elena.
I don’t quite get why Joe wasn’t on Allison’s side more – like the scene where she was fighting with Ariel/Elena in Ariel’s room and Joe comes in and hollers, but doesn’t really say anything to Ariel about being careful with her still half paralyzed mother.
Are we to believe now that the police are also in on the deal with the possession? I can see Scanlon and Devalos being in on the gig, but then them police came in to arrest her and she passed out and they were told it was OK and left. Wouldn’t they think something really wacky was happening?
Sofia did a good job – she’s a good actress.
Glad we didn’t have Joe’s job stuff.
nansee, I thought about that case too in the first episode – the stalker. In real life a guy was just arrested. Stalkers are scary because there aren’t a lot of laws that deal with it and most restraining orders seem to be useless pieces of paper.
Hi Betty–I saw that the guy was arrested. That was good news! I hope people don’t get the idea that many women lie about having a stalker for their own nefarious purposes. I know to most of us it’s obvious that what we see here is fiction in order to create suspense and drama, but you know there are going to be some idiots out there who watch this kind of scenario on TV and say, “Wow, women really are out to trap men! Why should we believe them when they say they’re being stalked or were raped, etc., etc.?…”
So this might be a wierd question… But I really loved the off- shoulder tee that Ariel wore in this episode, and really want to know where I can buy something like it. She wears it in the scene where Bridgette catches her rifling through Joe’s stuff. It’s blue, and I think it says “laurence” on it. Any ideas?